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klawful
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i should read your iink before making a comment here... but just to be clear, the problems I had with it did not stem from expectations on what it should be, but inconsistencies within the confines of the film as it was--such as presenting a character one way and then having them behave contrary to what was established.

Or just having characters behave contrary to their role in general. such as ...wouldn't this type of character know how to do this thing, or this character not know how to do this?

i'm trying to dance around spoliers--but people who've seen it will know what I'm talking about.
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Take a gander at the link...I felt the same way coming out of the movie. Why did certain characters behave certain ways or why did many of the scenes seem "unfinished" or what exactly was the motivation of some characters. Ridley Scott has always been masterful at not giving you all of the answers or a straightforward look at what is going on.
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First that's an interesting link. I've skimmed through it but haven't completely read it in detail.

Still I have said it before and I agree with Klawful: the problem isn't so much that it isn't a prequel or even a sci-fi movie within the same genre so to say, but that it simply ISN't a stand-alone movie either and, for me, devalued some of the mythology of Alien and Aliens.

Second, I'm not to keen on religious references (Scott's Kingdom of Heaven isn't my favourite movie either, and I'm unfortunately seeing vague remnants of that in Prometheus). But I suppose that's personal taste and the interview does clarify that section of the plot quite understandably. It's a good read.

Still, there's still quite a few enormous issues that link doesn't manage to address: SPOILERS

The link also still doesn't clarify why they sent us over to LV-223 and not their home planet. But I have a vague suspicion a check-in sequel will rectify that huge plot mistake.

It still doesn't clarify why the characters do the most insanely stupid things, they're supposed to be experts in their field and they do everything wrong mostly without obvious reasons.

And that's just to name two obvious ones.


In short, the link does 'help' with understanding some more of the confused sub plot, but hasn't affected my opinion of the movie in the slightest bit. It just reminds me of some forum where LOST viewers debate about the meaning of the show and what's going to be in the next episode. Surely, that can't be the purpose of a movie (again personal).

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I get where you're coming from, klawful... There were certain behaviors that didn't make much sense, without getting into spoilers. I'll read Imperious Rex's link tomorrow, curious where that goes.

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Imperious Rex wrote:
I have a new found appreciation for what Ridley Scott was trying to do after reading this: Herehttp://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html.

Good read, thanks! I haven't noticed some of the references and overall, it does make sense. I even like the concept, despite obvious leanings towards a certain system of beliefs. Yet, I stand by my opinion: it's too heavy-handed at times and there's a number of moronic elements that stretch 'hey! it's the future, anything is possible' argument beyond the breaking point for me. The funny thing is - I feel like watching it again at some point.

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So it's shite? That's sad to here. I was thinking about seeing it, but figured so much seeing that Ridley Scott has had his name attached to much shit over the past decade or so.

I'm not really going to comment on Blade Runner other than that it's a movie that people either love or hate.

Alien is a classic, though. Probably the reason why Ridely Scott even has a career to begin with. It deserves every accolade.

Hannibal was shit, plain and simple. Why? Because it took the grittiness of The Silence of the Lambs and decided to make a roller coaster ride type of horror film. Silence of the Lambs had this gritty and totally hopeless atmosphere that I really liked. For whatever reason the film looked really low budget like Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer, then you had Ridley Scott's version which was sleek and polished.

It was a cartoon and it was just stupid.
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Imperious Rex wrote:
I have a new found appreciation for what Ridley Scott was trying to do after reading this: Herehttp://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html.


Any article that references Slaine is beyond question.

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Imperious, that was a good read--thanks for the post.

but...


Link To The YouTube Page Containing The Above Video
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Red Letter Media is fucking golden... You guys should check out their site. They have 10 minute plus reviews of the latest stuff and sometimes bow down to some shitty classics like Troll 2. Also, they do reviews as Mr. Plinkett - an old alcoholic, handicapped psychopath that loves to break movies into pieces. The Star Wars prequels reveiws (which are and hour long) are web-classics right now. Brilliant stuff.


Oh, if you haven't figured it out yet. I fucking love those guys.


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"As a closing point, let me draw your attention to a very different strand of symbolism that runs through Prometheus: the British science fiction show Doctor Who. In the 1970s episode 'The Daemons', an ancient mound is opened up, leading to an encounter with a gigantic being who proves to be an alien responsible for having guided mankind's development, and who now views mankind as a failed experiment that must be destroyed. The Engineers are seen tootling on flutes, in exactly the same way that the second Doctor does. The Third Doctor had an companion whose name was Liz Shaw, the same name as the protagonist of Prometheus. As with anything else in the film, it could all be coincidental; but knowing Ridley Scott, it doesn't seem very likely."

now that is mad, not only did i just get "the daemons" from the local library before seeing prometheus but the liz shaw actress caroline john just died last week too. coincidence city!

i enjoyed the film by the way

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Saw this last night, and enjoyed it quite a bit. It was loaded with all sorts of symbolism, and picking up on that stuff adds an awful lot to the film. it's definitely a movie that needs repeated viewings and subsequent discussion to get an idea of teh bigger picture it presents. I like that. A film that polarises viewers and gets people debating and engaged in discussion is a great thing.

I loved that opening scene... quite powerful. Self-sacrifice to sow the seeds of life. Beautifully realised.

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i fuckin loved the movie.

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Gray wrote:
I like that. A film that polarises viewers and gets people debating and engaged in discussion is a great thing.


Antichrist? Great? Cool

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There's going to be a new thread soon about how disappointing it is when trains run on time............

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finally!

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I did see it and didn't think it the abomination that people made it out to be. It seriously wasn't any worse than James Cameron's Aliens. I was entertained and wasn't expecting anything groundbreaking for the usual popcorn flick.
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Body Dome Light wrote:
It seriously wasn't any worse than James Cameron's Aliens






Confused , for starters, Aliens had an actual script.

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joeki, this is why u did not get the script! lol

http://thebioscopist.com/2012/06/20/the-linguistics-of-prometheus-what-david-says-to-the-engineer/

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But this brings us back to the amalgamation of themes in the movie without there being one definitive backbone. It's like a mixing bowl of all of Scott's previous projects: Alien, Blade Runner and yes Kingdom of Heaven. Scott simply tried to get all his ideas into a single movie and it doesn't work for me. Also, and this is very personal: again the idea of humanising the entire universe seems so wrong to me. It's all so familiar now, it's like watching every being in the universe make bad decisions (including the engineers) that a stupid human would do (and the characters in the movie actually do, but they only do them so that a cool scene could follow).

For example: in Aliens: We see LT.Gorman fucking up which costs the lives of some troopers. But it is apparent from the very start that he was included in the mission because he was an inexperienced captain who didn't have the guts to ask questions, who would do as he was told by the corporation and who in fact fucks up, but still redeems himself in the end.
Compare to the cream of the crop scientists sent on this mission in Prometheus, the most important mission of all kind, but who once they get there (and they happen to land just in the right place too), act like a bunch of drunken irresponsible college students, so that we can have some cool scenes.

Regardless of answers given or not given, 'big' questions asked, existential questions and all the other crap I've read, things like that are testament to a bad script written by a douchebag for popcorn audiences.

The Matrix, a sci-fi movie I place in roughly the same category for a mixture of blockbuster and cult, is simply infinitely better (but lets not talk about the follow-ups.)

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ok i have to accept that u got some very true and solid facts there but still i did not think about these and got taken away with its atmosphere. of course it does have some flaws but still i dont remember many blockbusters that ask ppl these kinnda questions and i am pretty sure that it was not fun enuff for the sci-fi geeks so that its got some low ratings even on imdb.

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joeki wrote:
Body Dome Light wrote:
It seriously wasn't any worse than James Cameron's Aliens






Confused , for starters, Aliens had an actual script.


Yeah, dude, Bill Paxon and his one liners.

The original Alien was an atmospheric horror film set in space. It was a good film, but you have to admit that it spawned a franchise that failed to live up. I'm not saying that Prometheus was some kind of masterpiece, just that it wasn't any worse than any of the subsequent Alien sequels which drove the franchise further and further into the ground. Aliens was the type of action orientated garbage that was fairly typical of the 1980's.
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Granted, Alien stands head and shoulders above any follow-up.

I guess the problem with this one is that it actually tampers with Alien and the perception of that movie.

In my experience, this wasn't the case with Aliens. That didn't answer any questions and was just an awesome action flick in the age of action flicks. It revealed to us an Alien Queen. That was pretty much it.

Bill Paxton, I do have some respect for that man. He managed to be in Aliens, Predator II, Terminator and Commando. And I'm sure I'm forgetting one more.

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joeki wrote:
Granted, Alien stands head and shoulders above any follow-up.

I guess the problem with this one is that it actually tampers with Alien and the perception of that movie.

In my experience, this wasn't the case with Aliens. That didn't answer any questions and was just an awesome action flick in the age of action flicks. It revealed to us an Alien Queen. That was pretty much it.

Bill Paxton, I do have some respect for that man. He managed to be in Aliens, Predator II, Terminator and Commando. And I'm sure I'm forgetting one more.





Near Dark and Weird Science,my nga!!!!!!!!!!


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and Brain Dead!!!!!!

Fucking love that movie...


He was cool in One False Move,also....

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Brain dead was the one I was thinking off!

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I liked it, yes, definitely feels like something was left at the editing table, characters that don't make sense, but hey, it was visually great and even though it's a bit of an mess, it somehow pulls it off.

And I could send Noomi some creepy love letters.

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Saw it at the weekend.



My summary of the film: yes, that was cool. not bad Mr Scott, not bad at all.

My summary of this thread: LLLLLOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!! This thread is now fucking hilarious Smile

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doomride wrote:
and Brain Dead!!!!!!

Fucking love that movie...


He was cool in One False Move,also....


Dont forget Frailty too.. He was pretty awesome bat shit religious crazy in that one.

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Monotremata wrote:
doomride wrote:
and Brain Dead!!!!!!

Fucking love that movie...


He was cool in One False Move,also....


Dont forget Frailty too.. He was pretty awesome bat shit religious crazy in that one.




Oh yeah great call,Mono...mos def!!!!


He was funny as hell in True Lies also...

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