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zombiegod
PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 6:35 pm  Reply with quote
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Which one is the bestest? sniggering

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That's like asking whether bread is better than shoes. Very Happy

I prefer Sleep, myself.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 7:03 pm  Reply with quote
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I'd go with OM but with that MISSING as a choice...

Sleep.

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I'd go with OM but with that MISSING as a choice...

Sleep.


Me too, but seeing as it's missing and so is Ramesses, who's better?
Om or Ramesses? sniggering
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I only heard that Electric Wizard & Sleep sounded alike, but after hearing EW I persinally think they are pretty far removed from Black Sabbath, as opposed to Sleep (the odd few songs I've heard anyway). I'm no hot shot on either...

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Teeth of Lions ... Rule the Divine.

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Me too, but seeing as it's missing and so is Ramesses, who's better? Om or Ramesses


Having absolutly no idea who Ramesses is/are I am "forced" to choose OM.

Like I would choose any different...

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Having absolutly no idea who Ramesses is/are I am "forced" to choose OM.


Ramesses are a band formed by Tim and Mark who were in Electric Wizard.
And are much better.
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Going by the Wishbone Ash style solo at the end of "The Tomb" I am going to have to say that Ramesses are not better than lecky Wizaaarhd.

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Strange question since the bands are not really alike...

Anyway:

Electric Wizard before 'We live' and Sleep after 'Sleep's Holy Mountain' Smile

OM is really promising. 'Conference Of The Birds' is really good, better than the album.

I not really into Ramesses, always thought there was something missing...

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Bernard wrote:
I not really into Ramesses, always thought there was something missing...


Jus Oborn? Hmmm ... ?

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Conference of the Birds is better than the album??

It IS the album hehe..

Sleep was cool.. EW was cool. Definately cant compare..
Each one did the Sabbath thing a bit different..

How can folks not like "We Live" that shits heavy and Justin Greaves pounds them drums!!!!

Oh well Elrrek is heavier than both of em still..
Cause he said Teeth Of Lions Rule The Divine.. Very Happy

And yeah Om is this shit when youre standing in front of the bass rig hehe.

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Spirit Caravan.

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Dopesmoker!!11!!

One of the finest albums ever!

"follow the smoke to the riff-filled land… proceeds the weedian – Nazareth!!"

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Dopesmoker is fucking brilliant! That last live track that was not on Jeruselum is great!

The Jeruselum/Dopesmoker album(s) is the best Sleep stuff. Totally mesmerizing. Holy mountain is good but there is a couple of tracks I'm not keen on and Vol 1 just sounds like Asbestosdeath.

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Hehehe well ya know 3 of the 4 Asbestos Death songs became Sleep tracks on Vol 1.. Sucks my favorite one never did.. The tracks on Vol 2 showed up on Holy Mountain except for the Sabbath cover..


And yeah I really really wish Sonic Titan wouldve been recorded in the studio..
Maybe it was though.. In the video for Dragonaut you can see a setlist on the wall behind Al, and theres Sonic Titan on it..

Maybe Dig will try one of his cash in moves and well see it as a bonus track on a 'remastered, with improved artwork' Holy Mountain disc heh..

Yeah Holy Mountain has some great stuff on it.. But you can tell that album was done in two sessions.. Most of the tracks on it were done around Vol 1 and you can tell by the thin guitar tones and Al's screaming vocals..
Stuff like Dragonaut, Holy Mountain, From Beyond were done later after they got Orange/Matamp stuff and you can definately tell just by the fat guitar tone on Holy Mountain.. I dig Vol 1, but I skip ALL those songs on Holy Mountain that sound like it heh.

Fuck Jerusalem though.. Dave 'Sorry' Sardy ruined it and Mr Anderson says so too hehe..

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What's the prob with Jeruselum? I know the band wasn't thrilled with it but I know nothing beyond that. I like it. I think Dopesmoker sounds better but I don't have any problems with Jeruselum.


Agreed about Holy Mountain. I do skip alot of tracks on that. Vol 1 is what it is. I usually listen to my Asbestosdeath boot before I listen to that record.

And for the rest of this thread I only have the Electric Wizard/Orange Goblin split and wasn't very chuffed about either. Not bad, but not Sleep.

Now, Ramesses sounds interesting.

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I still havent heard them yet.. Maybe I can find some umm downloads today hehe.

I just dont like the mix on Jerusalem.. I did until I finally got Dopesmoker..
Dopesmoker was just so much heavier because Billy Anderson actually got to mix it himself.. I remember him talking shit about how Jerusalem was handled.

Something along the lines of it was TOO heavy and they had to cut and remix it like 3x, with the label saying it was too heavy each time..
So London hired Dave Sardy to come in and do the job..
All Anderson was allowed to do was sit behind him and tell him what track was what and what tapes were what.. Billy dont have anything good to say about the experience just like Om avoids the topic like the plague.. They really didnt like it being broken up either. Dont know what the label was thinking doing that.. Like they could make a single out of sections 10:00-13:00 or something?? Beats me hehe.

I think Om were in the latest Terrorizer actually.. Maybe last months by now.. Al talks a bit about it and why Om is so far removed from Sleep and its subjects hehe.

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It's a bummer cause I generallly love Sardy's engineering and mixing. Release by Cop Shoot Cop and LRon by Barkmarket are 2 of my favorite sounding albums. I guess maybe he doesn't do Stoner Doom well though. Doesn't really seem to be his thing like it is Billy Anderson's. Or Maybe he was just doing what the label told him.

You're right though. Loved the mix on Jeruselum until Dopesmoker came out. Still like it though.

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Well aside from him not really knowing what Sleep was all about..

I think he came into the end of a project in chaos..
You can imagine piecing tapes together of an hour long song and then trying to keep tabs on which section is which while your mixing it hehehe.
Not to mention he had to go through and edit about 10 minutes or so off of it just to get the label happy about the time!
Billy Anderson complained once about mixing it as well and the whole band says it was one of those 'breaking' points for them.. I know on one spot in Dopesmoker, before the second solo thing, theres fuckin 6 guitar tracks all piled up.. I think for the most part theres 4 throughout the entire song, 2 on each side. Billy mentioned before 'you try keeping those in tune through the whole song' hehe..

Fuckin a that mustve been a bitch to sit through..

True I dont think its really his fault, he just got a call from a label exec and showed up to do his job hehe. I imagine Billy would do the same.

I just cant wait til next month when I buy a new turntable finally..

Then I get to hear my 2xLP version of Dopesmoker hehe.

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Monotremata wrote:
Conference of the Birds is better than the album??

It IS the album hehe..


I always think about 'Conference' as an EP compared to 'Variations on a Theme' being the actual album... Anyway, promising band...

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10 pence worth:

Sleep...
The first album was rather dull (in much the same way that 'In the Name of Suffering' was dull): it was too square, too much like a generic rock record, and consequently didn't have that strange and elusive spark that turns a piece of music into a fire...
The same thing happened for me with the other early records - too much slavish worship and not enough forward direction...
When they released 'Jerusalem', it was much more evocative: the layers of guitars endlessly revolving around the same centre like a fugue gave the record a hypnotic, trance-like quality - almost shamanic...The production seemed to add to this quality by blurring the edges, and giving the record a woozy dream-like quality: the lack of sharpness and definition to the edges of their sound opened up the dreamspace...

Electric Wizard...
They seemed to reach a peak on 'Dopethrone': the dour tempos combined with a thuggish neanderthal approach to the riffs and the nihilistic lyrics to create a punk-infused addition to the doom/stoner cannon. Again, there seemed to be a looseness to the sound, a blurring at the edges which always adds danger (in a way that no perfectly recorded, perfectly rehearsed record can ever conjure)...The whole record seems both mindless and futile - and that is a very appealing aspect...
After that, they just seemed to become more 'professional' and consequently lose the spark...

Ramesses have an absolutely TERRIBLE guitarist and he spoils them for me...
High on Fire sound like a local pub band...

(I know I have a somewhat bizarre approach to what I like - and want - from music, but what can you do?)

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I have one word for this thread - GOATSNAKE!!!!

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electric wizard are more 'party' and fun. but sleep are much much more awesome sounding. also I saw a goon wearing an electric wizard the other day.

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skanfrom wrote:
electric wizard are more 'party' and fun.


Do you mean like... Guns n'Roses'?? Shocked

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nein. they are not rapists and makes of mainly-shite. it electric wizrad came on when i was in a boozer I would be happy. and now I cannot remember what the alternative band wuz.

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