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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 6:35 pm  Reply with quote
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Out now! GRIPE: "The future doesn't need you" Demo tape!



GRIPE blows fuses in Athens (Usa) and dismantles your head
with 10 tracks of crushing grindcore with powerviolence touches!


Listen: http://gripe.bandcamp.com/album/the-future-doesnt-need-you


It comes as a white tape, on Visceral Circuitry records.
Available against 1,50 euros + postage from this shop: http://visceralcircuitry.bigcartel.com






Trades possible (Mostly Death metal, grindcore, brutal death, industrial).
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I don't wish to be a twonk but ... why tape? It's a dead format and personally I think it just smacks of people trying so hard to be "counter culture" and underground that it defeats the purpose of of getting a bands music out to people.

Yes, I am aware that the band probably expects the tunes to make it out on blogs and so on and people will of course then get to hear the music but then what is the point of actually going to he lengths of producing a physical product and thus wasting resources, oil, carbon emissions and so on?

I fucking hate tapes.

/rant, sorry - couldn't hold it back.

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i think its the new trendy thing sir elrrek, hipsters like these kinnda shit!

well we saw how it did not work for Roots Strata - heard that its about 2 end Sad hope its just a rumour!

btw i was really in love with the tapes cause they were like easiest media 2 carry away and listen while walkin and shit :=)) all of a sudden i miss my Walkman!!!

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It is also really pissing me off that so many people I want to hear are indulging in this fucking pretentious retro-noise-hipster affectation.

Unless you have a water-tight artistic rationale for releasing only on cassette, you are a FUCKING POSER.

(and I speak as a man who actually has several working tape decks)

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I am desperately searching for the LIKE button on your post Mr Chickenf1sh.

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These hipsters are pissing so many people off.
Sometimes I get the impression that hipsterdom is the punk of our era.
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chickenf1sh wrote:
It is also really pissing me off that so many people I want to hear are indulging in this fucking pretentious retro-noise-hipster affectation.

Unless you have a water-tight artistic rationale for releasing only on cassette, you are a FUCKING POSER.

(and I speak as a man who actually has several working tape decks)


did you notice it was available from bandcamp for FREE?
I don't really understand the complaints here...

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garlicwav wrote:
did you notice it was available from bandcamp for FREE?
I don't really understand the complaints here...


They're general rather than specific. Why bother with the cassette at all if it's available to download and 99% of people are going to listen to it that way? If you want a physical release, why not a CD-R?

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garlicwav wrote:
chickenf1sh wrote:
It is also really pissing me off that so many people I want to hear are indulging in this fucking pretentious retro-noise-hipster affectation.

Unless you have a water-tight artistic rationale for releasing only on cassette, you are a FUCKING POSER.

(and I speak as a man who actually has several working tape decks)


did you notice it was available from bandcamp for FREE?
I don't really understand the complaints here...


I admit I did not notice it was available on bandcamp for free, which effectively makes my complaint null-and-void I suppose, but I did say something about blogs.

My question is, as I mentioned above, WHY are people releasing a physical product that is:

1. out of date?
2. sounds like crap?
3. prone to irreparable faults?
4. requires more effort than it is worth (probably) to find a machine to play it on?

Obstinate, elitist, hipsterism of a quite stunning height.

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I release tapes since ten years, and I keep on releasing it because: I like it. Cool

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elrrek wrote:


My question is, as I mentioned above, WHY are people releasing a physical product that is:

1. out of date?
2. sounds like crap?
3. prone to irreparable faults?
4. requires more effort than it is worth (probably) to find a machine to play it on?

Obstinate, elitist, hipsterism of a quite stunning height.


Do you buy vinyl? Because, to some extents, these 4 (good) points could apply to that format too. I don't see so much "hate" towards that format in general.
Just asking. I'm not trying to start a huge debate (especially because I would not release something on tape myself either) I'm just curious.

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For vynil add:

5. Much more expensive to produce and to send through snail mail.

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Yes I have and will probably continue to buy vinyl, which is *really* dumb because I actually don't own a functioning record player at the moment.

So, why do I buy vinyl? Mostly because I buy the vast majority of my vinyl from one label that is run by a friend AND I like what he releases. Some of the stuff I buy on vinyl because it comes with the CD included as well and I am collecting that artists stuff.umen

imho: There is a distinct difference between cassette tape and vinyl media. Vinyl sounds different (note I did not say better) than digital media. Subjectively I would also say vinyl sounds BETTER than tape. Factfully I would add that vinyl is considerably more resillient than a cassette tape and while it is more expensive to produce it will survive longer than a cassette tape and is less prone to damage. You can argue that this is just as hipster and elitist as cassette tapes but I would only partially agree with you and use the arguments stated above to defend my stance.

And, not wishing to piss anyone off, however long you have been releasing cassettes for, it's still a shit format and in my opinion, a waste of time. At least you've put it up on bandcamp and for that I applaud you and will respect that by going to bandcamp and checking it out. I regularly check things out on bandcamp and I would be interested to hear how many other people do this and what people are paying for 'pay as you want' offers. I am dropping anything between $5 for a 4 track EP and $10 for an 'albums' worth of material.

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now I am desperately searching for the LIKE button on your post!!!

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only 8 Track is TRVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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DARWIN wrote:
only 8 Track is TRVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


You hipster douche bag.

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So much speaking and noise, only for a release's format...

Pfieewww!

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After reading this thread, releasing tapes sounds like a good idea if only to piss people off.
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fuckit', i'm only recording on floppy disc from now on!

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Bring back phonograph cylinders...

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IamBetaCloud wrote:
fuckit', i'm only recording on floppy disc from now on!

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Hipster douche bag.

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Its all about releasing albums as sheet music. Everything else is FASLE.

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elrrek wrote:
IamBetaCloud wrote:
fuckit', i'm only recording on floppy disc from now on!

:mix:


Hipster douche bag.



http://www.discogs.com/Various-Floppylation-10/release/2734806
track 14
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From a marketing point of view this thread just keeps on delivering pure win for you though scumflesh.

Still need to hit bandcamp and listen to it.

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elrrek wrote:
From a marketing point of view this thread just keeps on delivering pure win for you though scumflesh.


This is what I imagined...
Not sure if it's the best board for grindcore thought...

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There's a few of grindcore fans here Smile

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hell yeah!

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yep i liked it and am obtaining. and i still have my tapes in occasional circulation. when i did the napalm special on the radio the other weekend we lifted loads of john peel samples of them, his intros to the classic sessions

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I've only heard a few of John Peels introductions and they were quite humourous! "Like that" when introducing "Like Rats" for the Godflesh peel session sniggering
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only twonkcore is TRVE!
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DARWIN wrote:
only twonkcore is TRVE!


And of that we have an abundance!

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Here's what some websites had to say about this recording:

OPERATION GRINDCORE:
Gripe are a three-piece powerviolence band from Athens, Georgia. Their sound is a good mixture of grindcore and powerviolence. I really love the high-pitched vocal style, which is one of the things I love about most powerviolence bands. "The Future Doesn't Need You" is Gripe's first e.p. and it is insanely good. It's so good that I can see these guys being on a label like To Live A Lie, Give Praise, or even Grindcore Karaoke. I know that it is clichéd to say this but this e.p. just sounds violent. I feel like this would be a perfect soundtrack for a killing spree , and the song titles reflect Gripe's violent sound with titles like "Go For Throat" and "History of Violence". "The Future Doesn't Need You" comes in at around 10 minutes, but all the songs are memorable and because of that this e.p. feels a lot longer. My favorite songs of of "The Future Doesn't Need You" are "Prison Tycoon", "Eatr Bot", and "Go For The Throat". The cover art is also really cool.


IN NOISE WE CRUST:
Gripe send me their 8 song's demo that can feed us eargasm, to those people digging new band that playing brutal as fuck hardcore/grindcore, Gripe is worth to put into your hard drive.srsly brutal shit... to know more about gripe check their facebook and bandcamp for show and updates.( thank you for sending me your band, i really appreciate it)


INVISIBLE ORANGES:
So Gripe surprise me by being a powerviolence band that I not only tolerate, but enjoy. I don’t know how old they are, and I don’t really care, but they do have the young-dude-midrange yell that makes me grit my teeth. The classic grindcore “little bear/papa bear” vocal dynamic is present, though, so sometimes the vocalist sounds like his balls have dropped. I guess I do care about age, in that I genuinely hope this band does not last long. Few things would be sadder than old dudes in a band called Gripe. (...)
I fend off powerviolence/grind/everything-core bands daily. My inbox is like a batting cage with a pitching machine at double speed. I swear, if I hear another blastbeat, I’ll… But then come Gripe, young-dude-midrange yells and all. And I let them play. They know what they’re doing. They know how not to bore me. Their riffs twist achingly, and their snare sound is fantastic. (That sounds trivial, but I really get off on great snare sounds.) With smart complaints lyrics about societal/personal injustices, and comical photos of cops on Segways (somehow imagery of cops on Segways makes perfect sense for a band called Gripe), this package is a tasty cookie of bile.
(...)
I am not a bilious person, so who knows how long Gripe will last in my consciousness. (Hopefully not too long – few things would be sadder than an old dude listening to a band called Gripe.) But for a sharpshooting blast of grind that hits sideways but drills deep, Gripe fills that “need”.


An interview of GRIPE is also available here:
http://operationgrindcore.blogspot.com/2011/05/interviewgripe.html

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it's violent and raw. I like it.

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it's violent and raw. I like it.


Me too! Just downloaded the digital version and ordered the tape.

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This album is definitely one of the better things I've heard on Grindcore Karaoke.
Mind you, I agree with all the tape hatred above.
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Some GRIPE tapes will be soon available from:

BLASTBEAT MAILMURDER (Greece)
DIY NOISE (Usa)
FASTDIE (Malaysia)
NIHILISTIC HOLOCAUST (France)
SPIDER BABY (Uk)

More will be also available from NERVOUS TONGUE (Usa), PATHOGEN (Philippines), ETERNAL DARKNESS CREATIONS (Usa), SKULLFUCKING METAL (Canada)...

http://visceralcircuitry.voila.net/Gripe_promo.htm

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Here's more reviews about this recording:


AMERICAN AFTERMATH:
Gripe is a great name for a powerviolence band. I loved it before I even heard the music. This band has a way of working to all aspects of grind and powerviolence. From the fast, aggressive, chaotic tracks to the slower, sludgier side of things, this band is pretty fantastic. I love the high-pitched vocals on these tracks. Those are some of my favorite styles of screaming. It’s brutal, harsh and vicious and I absolutely love it. This band has released an EP called The Future Doesn’t Need You and from first listen I can tell this is going to be one of my favorite releases out right now. Being an unsigned powerviolence band means that these guys probably don’t get the kind of recognition they deserve, and boy do they deserve it. Right off, tracks like “History of Violence” and “Just Fucking Die” stick out a lot. I love both of these tracks. The title being screamed at the beginning of “Just Fucking Die” is fantastic. Every single track on this album is fucking unbelievable. It’s a ferocious attack of grinding madness that I cannot get over. I can easily compare this band to a hideous car crash in the sense that you are drawn to it whether you want to be or not. I have no connection to this band whatsoever, but I honestly wish them the best and hope that music pays off for them because I am looking forward to hearing more from them.


WE MUST OBEY:
Finally, we have a slab of raging, grinding powerviolence that kicks some serious ass. Gripe’s ‘The Future Doesn’t Need You’ contains 10 brutally harsh tracks. They keep it interesting through – not every track is a 30-second blast – songs are allowed to flourish, allowing for deviation in the riffs, the tempo and more. As a result, it kicks ass all the way through. The final track here, entitled ‘Universal Stupidity’, pretty much sums up the way Gripe set up their stall – in one way, and one way only – to smash some heads in. And with a closing lyric such as ‘Gripe wins!’, you can’t really argue.


NECROSLAUGHTER:
2010 in Athen gegründet, ziehen GRIPE ihre Einflüsse aus schnellem Hardcore, Grindcore und Powerviolence. Entsprechend ist die Musik an manchen Stellen schon mal etwas chaotischer. Doch gerade der Anfang von “The Future Doesn’t Need You” ist unterhaltsam und lässt den Hörer trotz vieler Stop’n Go-Passagen nicht unbedingt stolpern. Das zäh beginnende und mit über 2 Minuten fast schon epische “History Of Violence” ist ein richtig geiler Brecher. Gleichsam kann die schnelle Fuck-Off-Nummer “Just Fucking Die” kann, wie auch das eher punkige “Prison Tycoon“. Auch wenn GRIPE nach diesem Song nicht mehr so spannend sind, wie zum Beginn der Kassette, muss man der Band ihre Diversität zu Gute halten.
Im Frühjahr 2011 wurde “The Future Doesn’t Need You” als 10 Song starkes Demo veröffentlicht. Mittlerweile finden sich 8 der Lieder unter dem gleichen Banner auf der Bandcamp-Seite von GRIPE. Der Song “Officer Down” wird gesondert angeboten. Lediglich “Siege Bringer” steht weder zum Download, noch Anhören bereit, sondern ist scheinbar ein exklusiver Teil des Tapes.
Mit schwarz-weiß kopiertem und handnummeriertem Falteinleger, präsentiert sich “The Future Doesn’t Need You” in bester oldschool Punk-Attitüde. Auch, dass die weiße Kassette nur auf der A-Seite nur zur Hälfte bespielt ist, werte ich an dieser Stelle dem DIY-Charakter dieser Veröffentlichung geschuldet. Ansonsten würde mich das ewige Spulen schon etwas nerven, haha! Die Kassette für wirklich schmale €1,50, also zum Punk-freundlichen Preis im Bigcartell-Shop von Visceral Circuitry Records. Crust-Freak und Grinder, greift zu und lasst euch von dem hektischen, chaotischen und stellenweise ziemlich nihilistischen Bombardement in den Schlaf wiegen!


GRIND OR BE GRINDED!

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Hi,

The tape will reach 100 copies soon

More reviews will follow

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cassette tapes cost pennies to make. lots of people still have cassette players in their cars. you press a release and have a means to be creative. nt everyone has the scratch to press non-dup'ed cd's, let alone vinyl. that shit is expensive.

so anyhow

if you dont have money, dont run a label. dont release music. stay at home, don't contribute to art or culture, watch tv, work your job, raise children. dreams are for faggots. music sucks. sell stocks. rip motherfuckers off so you can get sucked off by two hot ass strippers at the same time tonight. it's all about you. fuck everyone else. they don't have enough money to even fuck with you.

when you do that, the members of this board will probably respect you. if you cant do that, then sign a release with at least one member of first wave napalm/carcass contributing on at least one track. cassette only release or not, they might not call you a hipster anymore.

i will be at the sidebar show. i'll probably check out any other shows you got in the DMV area, too.

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fleaaccela wrote:
if you dont have money, dont run a label. dont release music. stay at home, don't contribute to art or culture, watch tv, work your job, raise children. dreams are for faggots. music sucks. sell stocks. rip motherfuckers off so you can get sucked off by two hot ass strippers at the same time tonight. it's all about you. fuck everyone else. they don't have enough money to even fuck with you.

when you do that, the members of this board will probably respect you. if you cant do that, then sign a release with at least one member of first wave napalm/carcass contributing on at least one track. cassette only release or not, they might not call you a hipster anymore.


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Cassettes are a lousy format but they are cheap. Fair enough. I just bought one, the new Dylan Carlson and it was cheap. Unfortunately it's the only way to get the material so I'll buy it. If it gets released on vinyl, cd or flac, I'll get that and sell the tape. One can get a really "good" tape deck for next to nothing second hand. We got one for $10 last year after Jess came home with 200 old tapes from work including some rare NWW, Neubauten boots and Sub Pop 7. Great to use to transfer to digital.

I find the "cassette revival" to be silly and kitschy. If it gets a band/artist some cash then great but let's not pretend tapes are some great thing. They're not. As for vinyl being in the same category in terms of faults mentioned above by garlic, it's not at all. Not out of date, Vinyl, when done right, sounds great, WAY better than tapes. give me vinyl any day over tapes. It's much sturdier and long lasting than tapes. I've got LPs that are 40-50+ years old and they are fantastic. No way that age would EVER happen with a cassette. Requires no effort to find a good turntable these days unless you live in the middle of nowhere. Yes it's expensive to press and not every band will be able to do it but it is in no way on the same crappy/fragile level as tapes. That said, for new releases, I still prefer CD.

With all that said, tapes work for the noise/powerviolence/crusty/grindcore stuff. Audio fidelity for that stuff is not an option and those artists, for the most part, have never abandoned the format. They kept releasing tapes right along.

I'm all for music being available on any format but let's not pretend tapes are something they are not.

And this is a general post to reply to some of the points in the thread, not the original poster. Cool that the band also has it avail for DL, unlike the Dylan Carlson tape I just got.

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